What if joy isn't something we find once life gets easier... rather the very thing that helps us through life's hardest seasons?

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In this heartfelt conversation, Sarah sits down with entrepreneur, creative director and Joy First® founder J. Nichole Smith to explore a journey shaped by burnout, crippling self-doubt, people-pleasing and the pursuit of proving her worth.

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Together they unpack the moments that changed everything, from pretending to be confident until confidence became real, to a life-changing realisation on Sir Richard Branson's Necker Island that success wasn't what she was searching for after all.

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This is a conversation about choosing purpose over pressure, recognising the breadcrumbs that quietly lead us towards joy, and discovering that perhaps the life we've been striving for is closer than we think.

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Whether you're navigating burnout, questioning your direction, or simply longing for a little more peace, this episode offers hope that joy isn't reserved for perfect moments... it's available to us, even in the messy middle.